These men were speaking really beautifully about human imagination and when the birth of human imagination was. They have both shared stories of whale watching, and the bubbles that whales make while hunting for food. And Barry Lopez shares his experiences with the Inupiaq people, and his experiences with wildlife in the tundra. He remarks that it's necessary that we do not exclude animals, because it is unethical and they have taken care of us and given humans everything long before humans had imagination.
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